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	<title>Comments on: Owning distribution</title>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello you lot. I feel your pain. I know your pain but I have a feeling that your doing just fine.

Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello you lot. I feel your pain. I know your pain but I have a feeling that your doing just fine.</p>
<p>Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments all (and we must get that ladybird book, that&#039;ll tell us how to do it).

Tom, you&#039;ve hit on the nub of a big problem there for us. If people only think of a &#039;newspaper&#039; as being a thing composed of news and ads then the economics are probably as you describe.

Our big task will be to remind/inspire people to realise that there are way more things you can do with newsprint and ink.

John cites a good example above, or, we had someone get in touch today who wants to produce a celebratory newspaper for their Dad&#039;s 50th birthday. Community groups, clubs, societies, all those sorts of people might try and get a bit of advertising to offset some of their costs but for the most part, we assume, will be thinking of this as a cheap but elegant way of getting their content printed. They&#039;re not going into the eyeballs business, they want to make a newspaper, and they&#039;ll pay for it in whatever way makes sense to them. All the papers we&#039;ve made so far have made economic sense to their makers, none of them have carried ads. (Except house ads for us.)

The newspaper/advertising market is in serious decline. We&#039;re trying to sidestep that, we&#039;re not getting involved.

Similarly, we&#039;ll leave final delivery to them as well - a club might distribute to members at a meeting, a community group might find some volunteers to do door-to-door, a protest group might hand them out in the street. Newspapers we&#039;ve done to date have been distributed in a variety of ways - handed out at pubs and festivals, distributed through corporate internal mail and sent in the post.

Hope that makes some sense. Your comment is much appreciated - clearly we need to explain ourselves better and set expectations properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments all (and we must get that ladybird book, that&#8217;ll tell us how to do it).</p>
<p>Tom, you&#8217;ve hit on the nub of a big problem there for us. If people only think of a &#8216;newspaper&#8217; as being a thing composed of news and ads then the economics are probably as you describe.</p>
<p>Our big task will be to remind/inspire people to realise that there are way more things you can do with newsprint and ink.</p>
<p>John cites a good example above, or, we had someone get in touch today who wants to produce a celebratory newspaper for their Dad&#8217;s 50th birthday. Community groups, clubs, societies, all those sorts of people might try and get a bit of advertising to offset some of their costs but for the most part, we assume, will be thinking of this as a cheap but elegant way of getting their content printed. They&#8217;re not going into the eyeballs business, they want to make a newspaper, and they&#8217;ll pay for it in whatever way makes sense to them. All the papers we&#8217;ve made so far have made economic sense to their makers, none of them have carried ads. (Except house ads for us.)</p>
<p>The newspaper/advertising market is in serious decline. We&#8217;re trying to sidestep that, we&#8217;re not getting involved.</p>
<p>Similarly, we&#8217;ll leave final delivery to them as well &#8211; a club might distribute to members at a meeting, a community group might find some volunteers to do door-to-door, a protest group might hand them out in the street. Newspapers we&#8217;ve done to date have been distributed in a variety of ways &#8211; handed out at pubs and festivals, distributed through corporate internal mail and sent in the post.</p>
<p>Hope that makes some sense. Your comment is much appreciated &#8211; clearly we need to explain ourselves better and set expectations properly.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>saw this and thought, &quot;that&#039;s nice, must send it to newspaper club.&quot; so here it is: http://www.ladybirdprints.com/category.php?catid=6751</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw this and thought, &#8220;that&#8217;s nice, must send it to newspaper club.&#8221; so here it is: <a href="http://www.ladybirdprints.com/category.php?catid=6751" rel="nofollow">http://www.ladybirdprints.com/category.php?catid=6751</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Cronin</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom But some people might not want a newspaper of just a few pages to include revenue earning ads. I might for instance want to print a promotional newspaper for my hyperlocal site to use as a promotional tool.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom But some people might not want a newspaper of just a few pages to include revenue earning ads. I might for instance want to print a promotional newspaper for my hyperlocal site to use as a promotional tool.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: tom mcgowran</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>tom mcgowran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can across your project today and thought it very interesting. Two things I would note. A 12 page paper cannot be financially viable as it cannot contain enough advertising to pay for the overheads. Even 16 pages with an ad ratio of 60+ % is unlikely to break even. Also you need to have a decent circulation for advertisers to wish to advertise and get response. So the minimum is going to be around 10,000 copies of a 16 page paper. Advertisers will require colour and this is really only viable printing above 3,000 copies. 
Digital presses are ok up to 5,000 copies but the cost is very high and does not reduce with quantity.
The market being what it is today will dictate if you can find enough revenue to get off the ground. You need to have a very good reason for advertisers to buy space to finance your paper - no one is likely to buy copies of the paper unless you have a very special niche in the market. So circulation will not bring in any revenue. That means that distribution will be a cost to you also. Will it be door to door, give away or posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can across your project today and thought it very interesting. Two things I would note. A 12 page paper cannot be financially viable as it cannot contain enough advertising to pay for the overheads. Even 16 pages with an ad ratio of 60+ % is unlikely to break even. Also you need to have a decent circulation for advertisers to wish to advertise and get response. So the minimum is going to be around 10,000 copies of a 16 page paper. Advertisers will require colour and this is really only viable printing above 3,000 copies.<br />
Digital presses are ok up to 5,000 copies but the cost is very high and does not reduce with quantity.<br />
The market being what it is today will dictate if you can find enough revenue to get off the ground. You need to have a very good reason for advertisers to buy space to finance your paper &#8211; no one is likely to buy copies of the paper unless you have a very special niche in the market. So circulation will not bring in any revenue. That means that distribution will be a cost to you also. Will it be door to door, give away or posted?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/2009/10/09/owning-distribution/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Designery green ink is frowned upon in the business world Ben but don&#039;t let that worry you.</description>
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